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Mike: LOL! That actually makes sense... Im going for the Bears, not really a "fan" but I have to choose someone!

I agree, But I am partially wrong! :)

P.P.S: Christianity, Islam or Buddhism and isn't the worlds problem, People placing their faith in MAN is.

Jer 17:5 "Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind And makes flesh his strength"

stefani
I do work, I've been at work for the last 3 days straight. Do you teach your Children to be as rude and contribute such tasteful comments to discussions out of context? Such a desireable trait in a Woman.

Michael, I have to ask, do you find yourself confused about your own bfaith?

No. But let me Guess, You are confused on the Faith of Christians.

I don't know what form of Christianity you are truly a subscriber of

Let's just say reformed. In the likes on Edwards, Spurgeon, John Bunyan with a splash of Calvin. No Jacob Arminius for me thank you.

Jesus did not beat people upside the head for believing or disbelieving the things he said or did.

I have beaten someone on the head? People critique and persecute Christianity all day long, the first time a Christian points out the errors in another Faith or lack there-of everyone suddenly wants to use the Bible as a point of reference, as if they even believe it to be True anyway. If you go through and read the posts, most of the time I am defending and defining the religion. Christ also turned his back on the foolish. If you notice, Christ spent the abundance of His time teaching HIS people. Unless you subscribe to tradition and are one to believe in Unlimited Atonement.

Trust me when I say "disproving" someone isn't how you win them over to your ideas.

I have never taught or believed I win anyone over to anything. I believe if you re-read my posts, I teach It is Christ that wins people over, Not myself.

In fact, coming to a person and just wanting to tell them how illogical and wrong they are just makes them angry, just like it makes you angry and annoyed that I am saying the things I am, or when others disagree with you.

I'm not angry. I am actually used to the Christians holding back and not saying anything in relation to these comments. They bite their tongues. Something I am learning to do. It's useless to get into these kinds of discussions with non-believers, it just makes them more rebellious and angry. Your issues aren't with ME people, Your issues are with Christ.

It's like critiquing a creative piece. You always start with what you do believe in, what is positive, then mention things that need work. See, if you had started this with saying science has contributed so much to the world--people would have taken you more seriously.

Ohhhh, Where was I? You mean "Conform yourself to the world so they will listen"? I believe the Bible teaches "Do NOT Conform yourself to this world but be TRANSFORMED by it". Like I said, I have learned from posting messages in relation to the Bible, so I guess that HAS Transformed into being smart enough to not do it anymore. Sorry, But you have the wrong person if you think I am going to sugar coat things for people and pervert the Gospel to make it appealing to unbelievers. I leave that to the "Seeker Friendly" People. Unless you are angry that I don't meet your cookie cutter Christian criteria in the likes of you can't attack me for teaching "You all need to come seek God". Like I said, That's not what the Bible teaches. Since you enjoy studying Christianity, I would love to discuss this further VIA E-Mail.

because, let's face it, without science--the core of atheism--and the technology of today, you would not be writing this note, sitting at a computer, in a rolling chair, in a heated home with electricity.

Yeaaaaa, If you took the time to read other posts, I have said "I like science, It's fun". I am not sitting at a computer, in a rolling chair, in a heated home thanks to science. It's because I've been blessed. Once again, It would be incredible that one would possess such things considered to be of value created from, by and within something that has no meaning and happened because of a fluke and abundance of built-up heat consisting of atoms and molecules. BTW: Where did the atoms and molecules come from?

You entered here with a proud, self-important attitude

No I entered with confidence in History and Christ. Just like everyone else enters with confidence in....oh yea, nothing because the world has no meaning. For a bunch of people who confess they don't believe in the Bible, It would be nice to find 1 that knows what the Bible teaches in Context and doesn't mention Christ's atonement for all of Man.

check the Bible on pride, wisdom and patience, man; Proverbs is great,

YES! I have been waiting for this opportunity. Soloman wrote some great proverbs didn't He?

Pro 17:11 A rebellious man seeks only evil, So a cruel messenger will be sent against him.

Pro 17:14 The beginning of strife is {like} letting out water, So abandon the quarrel before it breaks out.

(My Mistake, I should have abandoned this pointless quarrel)

Pro 17:15 He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD.

(AWWWW, Someone is in trouble!)

Pro 10:21 The lips of the righteous feed many, But fools die for lack of understanding.

Pro 24:7 Wisdom is {too} exalted for a fool, He does not open his mouth in the gate.

One day we will all meet at the gates. Many with mouthes closed.
This is a Book for believers, It cannot be used against us.

Ask the average Christian why they don't believe in the god Apollo and their answer will sound remarkably similar to the arguments you find lacking when challenging atheists.

Isn't it interesting that you capitalized Apollo and not God? I see where you stand! :) It all makes sense at this point. Like I said since you have studied Christianity, You know what the Bible really teaches. What would it matter what someone calling themselves Christian tells you their input is on other Gods?

At most, you'd just utter the same tautology that seems to bug you when it comes from atheists: "He just doesn't exist".

Sorry, But it actually doesn't bug me. I just thought I would point out the obvious mistakes in Atheism in hopes to get input on it and also it really shows the hypocrisy in Atheism quite accurately. Isn't it interesting the GIANT Backlash against Christianity in this thread? I wonder why people can't stay on the topic of Atheism and insist on Bringing up Christ? It's just like those that follow the doctrine of Jacob Arminius and can't seem to speak from the Scriptures, always wanting to sidetrack everyone. For something no one on here seems to believe in, they sure do feel the need to defend themselves from it, Wonder why that is?

So yeah, disagreeing is fine, mature debating is fine, but thinking you're going to have a new Bible-carrying friend from telling them how their whole general belief system or lack thereof is inaccurate, just isn't gonna work for you.

I think you posted your comment in the wrong thread. It says errors in Atheism, not "How can I place the light on someone else because I am insecure about placing my Faith in the lack of Faith in something that doesn't exist.... that I feel I need to convince myself of it's non-existence" Phew....*breath. :)

Yet, somehow, for one specific set of superstitions (one I was not only raised in, but pursued almost into seminary), that argument is taken as acceptible for a man being conceived from an ovum and a divine spark, for that same man walking on water, dying and coming back to life 3 days later and for a 2000 year old promise he made that he'll be right back as a couple of guys in white clothes gave him a ride home from a taxi stand at the top of a mountain in Israel.

Sorry to change the subject....Oh wait, yea that's right it's ATHEISM anyway. The thing is, if someone would start an "Errors in Christianity" thread, I wouldn't even post a single comment on it, simply because I wouldn't be as nervous as unbelievers and feel threatened when it comes to the topic of Christ like that message would actually prevent God from choosing and calling His elect.... pffft. You say you almost went into seminary, I will presume you know the scriptures enough to gather why someone doesn't possess Faith in Christ. Everyone has Faith in something, unfortunately most people place their faith in themselves. I wonder where that is going to get them... Naaa I don't. Do you ever wonder why I get so many negative comments directed at my posts? The Bible doesn't teach persecution and hatred from the world, or does it? Ever notice the sincere abundance of rebellion towards the teachings of Christ? The Bible must be a fluke like the Big Bang, because the Bible doesn't teach that either, Or does it? The thing is, I spent most of my life partying and hanging with Girls, producing secular music in studios in NY. I have seen and done more in my 25 years on this planet than most people would ever imagine being that I speak about Christ from a several thousand year old book. I know, Its really boring living a life without booze, drugs and women with no self respect and morals. On that topic, wonder when and how that changed? Anyway, I just realized it's late, it's been real fun reading these posts, too bad they wont have any affect on anyone! :) on that note:

Pro 14:23 In all labor there is profit, But mere talk {leads} only to poverty.

I gotta go back to work! :)

P.S: I probably wont be back to this thread, I usually leave when people go off the deep-end. Maybe you guys can keep it on topic while I'm gone.

I don't at all, I just don't expect "calling me out on mine" sticks to the topic, it's rather a way to take attention off the topic.

P.S:

I don't think a self-professed Christian can challenge the validity of Atheism and expect not to answer questions about his own faith.

Ryan I have commented numerous times on Christianity on several threads. I just said this is a thread titled "Errors in Atheism" and I thought it should be kept on that topic. Now that I see you are against keeping things on topic, I will quote you on that. :)

No, the first part is wrong - is that what your preacher told you? There's a logical fallacy in making the negative assertion "there is no God", in addition to the incorrect use of "God" with a capital G. Thinking atheists don't make that mistake.

1) No, Its a dictionary definition.

2) No, I study on my own, I don't get all my information from words spoken from Man like unbelievers and their affliction with media.

3) Atheists think? Remember I tried to bring that up and I Was told they only hold claim to simply "God doesn't exist".

P.P.S.: Do not expect me to look at this thread again. I'm ashamed to even see it on a blog network that boasts "quality content". Say whatever you will, but don't wait for a rebuttal.

For something so wrong you sure did spend a lot of time writing your silly opinion on it! You did a great job of contributing to the level of "Quality content" especially on a thread you feel is such a waste of time. Let's just hope you are at least getting yourself an education of some sort.

Alday:

Yea you are right to an extent. Microsoft does claim this every-time around, I do believe this time is going to be a little different. SOME of the cracked releases are great. Most don't work especially the WGA fixes, They still don't validate and MS is looking for valid Keys. Now if Vista's key doesn't validate, Vista will stop working all together, It will be interesting to see how the cracking community will find a way around this, I'm sure they will, but it is going to create a LOT of annoyances for users running Pirated versions of Vista. One thing about MS and their previous versions of Windows is it really takes them years to actually finalize it thanks to "Service Packs" These are going to be unobtainable through MS with Pirated versions of MS and the cracked versions might install, but Vista is developed to recognize them and stop working. It just seems like a cycle of annoyances not worth under the 200$ price tag for the ultimate version of Vista. Not to mention pirated MS apps like Office are developed to stop working under vista as well.

Oli: Your practice of blaming people makes me unhappy. It contradicts your belief of "Do what you want, just don't make people unhappy". Not to mention it is extremely unrealistic and not logical.

That's what scientists are trying to figure out, not that "figuring out" has nothing to do with "taking credit for"

By saying it is scientists figuring anything out, whatever it is they figure out you are crediting them with the act of THEM figuring it out.

Actually, you give credit to your own God, not the God of other people's faiths. Isn't that just as selfish?

Umm hate to break it to you, but it's a God of billions of people for over 3000 years. Out of these billions of people, only a persentage of them Give the credit to God, Many credit their "free-will". We don't credit other Gods, Because other God's don't exist. How is that selfish when it doesn't relate at all to myself?

P.S: Yea you're probably right, this should really go in the "Does History apply today" Thread.

The easy answer is... when someone decided to afford married couples with tax benefits and spousal benefits.

Exactly.

Who cares if you cannot get married in a church... but denying a portion of your society benefits simply because they are gay is not only stupid but downright wrong. (i.e. - Blacks / Women can't vote etc.)

It's not about getting "married" in a "church". It's about taking something that derives from Bible and making it into something it isn't. Like I said before, I would support and encourage gays to create their own ceremony that joins them together for the rest of their lives and call it something completely different. Calling it marriage is disrespectful to many different Bible derived religions. Let alone it would be changing it so much that it would just become NOT Marriage anymore.

Cultures that didn't have the bible also had marriage.

Yea! And they still do now, but how far can marriage become altered before it's not marriage anymore? You find historical documentation that mentions marriages existence and establishment as a ceremony past 3000 years and I will consider it.

There are no fundamental logical errors in atheism

You can't prove that without going into more verbal descriptions rather than "God doesn't exist".

You're just contradicting the point Ozone42 was trying make: that's an invalid generalization to make. Sure, atheism is big news this year, with a lot of arguments flying around, but it's nothing new, and it really is as simple as not believing in the supernatural. That is very on-topic, since it goes to the core of what atheism is, and what it is NOT.

The definition of atheism is : "the doctrine or belief that there is no God" and "a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods ". For Atheism to even exist there must be someone who actively practices the aforementioned. The definition alone doesn't possess the structured belief of Atheism.
My point again is that one would simply ask for a more descriptive explanation from an Atheist themselvs. And the logic behind how Atheists go into explaining WHY they believe what they do contradicts itself. Like C.S Lewis says, "it's just too simple".

Uhh... no. You shape your future and you alone are responsible for what happens and what you become. (Existentialism 101.)

Ok, so that's what you believe... I respect that, I just don't believe the same.

I disagree with pre-destination because my life has had many paths I could have chosen.

Yea, that's the way it seemed didn't it? In reality, for each instance, you "Chose" a path. According to my beliefs, you "chose" the path you were predestined to take.

I've always thought that religion, in general, is such a funny and interesting concept. Earth is part of our solar system, which is part of the Milky Way galaxy, which is part of the universe that is made up of billions of other galaxes many of which are millions of times larger than the Milky Way galaxy and contain millions more planets that could be capable of life similar to Earth.

What created the aforementioned?

I believe that people HATE the idea of not possessing control of what exists around them. Life as one knows it to each individual only exists as long as they are living. Humans have a natural desire to make everything about them.

I think that when humans presume to know how the Universe was created, and that it was created by God, it displays an unimaginable level of arrogance. Science, on the other hand, tries to use predictable methods to figure out the Universe's unknown questions, and does not give one-size-fits-all answers that "God determined it" or "God created everything".

Oh yea, Scientists (humans) believing they possess the ability of uncovering the mysteries of the universe solely reliant on their own brains and intellect is not arrogant at all (sarcasm). Arrogance is pointing fingers at one self in hopes to take credit for the topic mentioned, Christians give the credit to God. If the meaning or creation of the universe comes from Man discovering it, What's the point of the creation of Man? Simply to discover the universe has no meaning? People will constantly post comments on 9rules debating me simply because I give the credit to something else other than myself or human creation. People can't stand the idea that they really are irrelevant to a larger scheme of things, kinda interesting that this comes from the same group of people who claim the universe really has no ultimate meaning anyway.

What are you talking about? I was simply saying that Athiests usually go to a further extent of defining their beliefs rather than just saying "God doesn't exist", and in doing so Errors arise and I posted quotes above as examples. Try to stay on topic, these posts always seem to go off the deep-end and people love to twist things into pointing at Christianity. This is an Atheism thread. Let's stick to it.

From what I read, Vista is going to be pretty hard to "Pirate", pirated XP versions are already difficult to update to the point where Microsoft requires the installation of the GDI Tool, even with the Microsoft Windows Validation cracks floating around they still don't work when it comes to Microsoft validation your KEY, The only way to install IE7 and WMP11 on a Pirated Version of XP is to download a cracked version from a torrent site or IRC and risk the chance of packaged Viruses/Spyware that are ever growing in these distros. Vista is going to be the same way, except for they will include a requirement for KEY validations to obtain all quick fixes and service packs, good luck with those pirated versions of Vista, Better hope you aren't sharing a Key that Microsoft reveals as exploited.

Read: PC World's Article on the Uselessness of Pirated Vista.

Just one of the MANY sites exlcuding Microsoft's own that explains in more detail.

Being that I believe Marriage to be a Biblical ceremonial and moral law, a covenant between Man and Woman with God. I agree, Mixing Church and State are wrong. So Marriage really isn't a right. There are talks of marriage in the Old-Testament, which is separated by 400 years between Nehemiah and Christ. Using marriage existed before "Christ walked" Is accurate. Pagans practiced marriage out of context during the time of Christ just as much as it is being practiced today. What one needs to do is go back in history and find out where any why Marriage became inter-weaved with state. It certainly always wasn't this way.

Right, free-will of Man doesn't clash with God's pre-destination. Because our "free-will" lies in whatever we are predestined to be. Someone who is pre-destined to be a mechanic is free to do whatever a mechanic can do. No human is a blank slate free to do whatever a Human is able to do. All Humans are limited by characteristics, professions etc.. In this is where our "free-will" lies. I agree, Food for thought is rather enjoyable.

I think you will notice that if you conversate with "Atheists" They don't stop at maintaining that "a diety doesn't exist" and that's it. They go on to explain in more detail who, what, where, when and why they believe what they do. Often times they resort to questioning God, in doing so errors arise. If you know of an Atheist that solely maintains "A deity doesn't exist" I would be interested in meeting them. In doing so, I would ask them a serious of questions, When the begin to answer, the errors begin to be visible. If they do not answer questions, their structure becomes irrelevant as much as a Christian that can't define their beliefs.

The problem with believing God to be "the answer" is that it does not property answer "the question." The question is "how nature works and why".

It all depends on what God we are talking about. The God of the Holy Bible is a commonly used answer because through Biblical exegesis is it taught that this world is temporary. People get caught up in the desire of wanting answers NOW and if they don't get them they insist on not believing. Christians give the answer "God" Becuase we believe it is the answer, we tend to not really worry about needing exact answers NOW. The Bible teaches that all answers will be given to those that possess patience and Faith in God.

I do not believe a God would create a universe in such a way that it depended on his constantly working on it.

Right, I agree completely. I am a firm believer in pre-destination, that is what the Bible teaches. That all that is to be has been pre-destined by God.

Once we've discovered the leaves -- the components -- and figured out that there's a forrest -- made up of many components -- and once we've figured out that there are many forrests, and that there is a landmass, how long before we figure out that this landmass has to be part of something, and that a large part of what affects us is something we can't necessarily see or feel but in time can indeed come to understand?

This is why I find Atheism hard to believe. If the universe has no meaning, why did we find out it has no meaning? Why do we have knowledge of the forests, trees and landmass? The God of the Christians is the answer because originally God created the trees, waters and landmass for His creation to enjoy, before the foundation of the earth. There are many different ideas of how the "Fall" itself happened, did God pre-destine it? I believe so, I believe the God of the bible has always displayed the act of Him choosing a people, First the Jews, then later the Gentiles also. God chooses a people for His own Glory, For Himself. The only logical way for Him to do so, would be for Him to create people that He would not choose. God is an overall logical answer because God only has to answer to Himself, he doesn't have to give humanity the meanings or reasoning of the universe, He just decides to choose (elect) some to ultimately be Glorified with Him and in turn possess the answers to all.

Salazar
First off I would just like to say Welcome and it is nice having your thoughts and insight on these topics! It seems as though we both grew up in a similar manner, I grew up in the more contemporary Christian faith but was never saved. It wasn't until I was taken out of the "normal" Christian environment and exposed to exegestial scriptural teachings and revelation when I became saved and received Faith. It's rather difficult in this day to share the truth in what we believe to be the inspired Word of God. We not only receive persecution from unbelievers, but from believers alike. I believe in the teachings of fallen Man, I believe all of man are sinners including myself. I'm rather disappointed that you see my posts as "looking for a fight", rather argumental debates stem from my posts because they are driven from a Biblical foundation, something everyone is rebellious towards. The same results would stem from a post written from someone of a more "charasmatic" free-will doctrinal standpoint. Except they would be looked at a little differently from Christians alike. I don't choose to twist or present the Gospel any other way than what it was intended. I choose to be transformed by this world not conformed to it, I also don't conform the gospel to this world. I am not shy or scared to enter into discussion or debate to defend the Honor of Christ and the teachings that lay inside the Inspired Word of God. My posts aren't intended to convert the unconverted, rather to assist in educating the in-between that atheism and the practice of unbelief is full of error, contrary to popular belief. I would agree that I could probably be better at presenting things in a more loving manner, however, that doesn't come at the expense of altering truth or presenting it in another manner other than of which is Biblical. I am convinced that My work and doctrinal beliefs are sound, I have made non-Christ like comments on here and have been drawn to repentance and I have apologized to these people with abundance of humility. I do not budge in regards to blatant acts of ignorance to what the Bible teaches, and rebellion thereof, I don't believe I have to post scripture to support this, I believe you as a Christian agree that this is all throughout the Bible. The teachings of faith in science and man are false, If anything I come to stimulate the minds of people to study on their own accord rather to stand in agreement with the abundant of science believers because of the support in universalism and the appeal of not having to answer to God. I agree that atheists have the advantage of a more unified belief structure, their beliefs or lack thereof are very simple and leave very little margin for debate among themselves. This doesn't create a level of justification in itself, it just makes it easier for the head of the serpent to control the rebellion of man towards God. Fellow Christians might understand my posts, stand in agreement and completely disagree with the way I present it. They might even be justified in doing so. However, verbalizing the lack of support for my presentation only gives support for the opposite in the eyes of the Atheist. The vocal disapproval from Christians in my presentations get more air-play than my proper theological standpoint. Most Christians take the "You need to repent and come to God" approach, I take the "Here's the errors in your theology" approach, Being that I believe it is all up to God whom He saves, It is my Job to defend Biblical honor and proclaim the Gospel to all nations. I do not believe my theology (and the theology of many others that believe the same) is completely 100% accurate, I accept proper Biblical reproof and in doing so have learned and grown in my knowledge and Faith. I do not accept simple "You are wrong and Christians contradict", I expect a little more thought out replies and representation of a little more Scriptural exegesis.

In closing, You aren't wrong at all from a world perspective. When the Bible becomes the backbone of one's fundamentals people as a whole immediately feel threated and become defensive in the way of their human freedom. You are probably right that an Atheist reading this post will dismiss it. I posted it for those whom are open to knowledge of both sides and aren't as closed to immediate dismissal there of. I am a Christian, I tend to read books, commentaries and theological outlines from ALL religious and non-religious stand points, this way I don't become like the aforementioned, in that I have dismissed the knowledge of these different doctrines of what I don't believe in, with no real knowledge of why I don't believe in it to begin with. Like I stated, You are probably correct that I could take a more loving approach, I do so with fellow Christians, because that is what the Bible teaches. With the world I will not budge, I will not conform, With the world I will be transformed.

Why do people with the most religious convictions feel the need to not only believe that they are right, but also to make other people believe that they are terribly wrong?

People without ANY religious convictions are just as much, if not more attempting to convince Christians of their errors constantly. Why when a Christian enters the debate does it become wrong in itself?

The Easter Bunny and Santa Clause cannot be proven nor disproven either, should we believe in them like we believe in a God we cannot prove nor disprove? The Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and God have been documented in books that have been passed down from generation to generation, stories and tales about all three have been told to people young and old, and the faith that the three exist is present in millions of people around the world.

Wow, you compare the realism in scientific theories to "Santa Clause" and the "Easter Bunny"? I would say that scientific theories do play a little more relevance in reality of the universe than the aforementioned. I don't see how your analogy plays any relevance to the quote you replied to, being that people don't claim Santa and the Easter bunny as being the means for the creation of the universe.

Just because scientific theory has not disproven a God doesn't mean that it exists, for if we continue down that path of logic, we should put equal amounts of faith and belief into the Boogeyman, the Lockness Monster, and other beings that we have willed into existence without proof.

God disproves scientific theory in itself. The theory that the universe came into existence from large amounts of heat, and that heat is defined by scientists as being atoms and molecules, scientists can't go back far enough to explain where the "atoms" and "molecules" come into existence to begin with. That's why God a Deity of self creation answers that question for them. The Boogyman, Lockness monster and other beings don't debate the existence of God.

Michael, I suggest you pick up books on Darwinism and carbon dating so that you can see the "Dark" side to your own opinions as well.

Ok agreed, but instead of just saying "read a book", why don't you give me some titles of books you have read. Also, Would you be interested in reading books that debate Darwins teachings? Here are some titles I recommend:

Debating Darwin: Adventures of a Scholar

Evolution Shot Full of Holes by Jim Bendewald and Frank Sherwin

and

Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution

Hi leliathomas, Welcome! :)

I pretty much agree, no matter what anyone believes or doesn't believe. People are trying to evangelize each-other. Some people evangelize Christ and some people evangelize what car to buy. All of humanity works at attempting to win people over to whatever it is they believe. Attempts to get people to see things from their point of view. See, I am what most people with any theological knowledge or education would call a "Calvinist", I believe everything that happens has been pre-destined to take place. This is what the bible teaches through exegesis, so really I should just be called a Christian. The reason I am not, (predominantly) from "Christians" is because I remove the doctrines of Man among Christians that teach their salvation is reliant on their own free-will and coming to Christ/God on their own accord. I probably come across as a sinner, it's because I am. I guess the only good thing about me is that I have been blessed with enough humility to admit that.

And, truly, if you believe they are wrong, and that your beliefs are right, debate is rarely the way to "show them the light."

I really am not trying to show them the "light" as much as show them the "dark" in their theology. I try to get people to actually pick up the book and read it, instead of just reciting some corrupted perspective of something they heard from someone that heard it from someone else in relation to Christianity. People just get nervous when they hear the word "God", for something they so don't believe exists why do they bother writing post after post in relation to it? Seems like they are trying to prove to themselves God doesn't exist, maybe they are just having a hard time doing so?

I respect your opinion! :)

I will try to wait as long as possible... Soon as I can afford it I will get a Mac.